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    • Katharina SCHLEIDT
      Hi Wideke, based on my work with air quality data, such data clearly falls into the EF theme; at least this is where I'd expect to find the primary water quality measurements, together with descriptions of the stations where this has been... view reply
      • Katharina SCHLEIDT
        Dear Wideke, Sorry for having missed the explicit sub-theme you're going for :( My approach has always been more focused on the core requirements of INSPIRE Article 4, first looking at the available data, then deciding on the relevant... view reply
        • Wideke BOERSMA
          Thanks. We will look into it. Can I ask a additional question related to groundwater. Where does the quality of the groundwater fall under? Also EF or theme Human Health and Safety (HH;... view reply
          • Wideke BOERSMA
            Hello Kathi, Thank you for your answer. The boreholes mentioned here are in a different application schema. The boreholes are part of application schema Geology in stead of application schema Hydrogeology. In the application schema... view reply
            • Katharina SCHLEIDT
              Dear Wideke, to my understanding, the GE Boreholes are linked to ActiveWell featureTypes, that in turn are linked to EnvironmentalMonitoringFacilities. I've provided more indepth information in your other post on groundwater levels:... view reply
              • Katharina SCHLEIDT
                Dear Wideke, While I'm not that familiar with the INSPIRE Geology models, to my view, the groundwater level measurements clearly fall into the INSPIRE Environmental Monitoring Theme. Looking at the Geology Data Model, the featureType... view reply
                • Marcus SEN
                  Marcus SEN replied on the discussion topic Borehole intervals - mappingFrame?
                  Conceptually the mapping frame is the path of the borehole itself. The INSPIRE technical guidelines don't seem to have any explicit instructions on this but just says "A MappedInterval is a special kind of MappedFeature whose shape is a... view reply
                  • Wideke BOERSMA
                    Dear collegeas, We have a question about groundwater level measurements within groudwater wells. At the GE-dataspecification (Application schema Hydrogeology) the following note is stated (p. 43): NOTE 1 For provision of detailed measurements...
                      • Katharina SCHLEIDT

                        By Katharina SCHLEIDT

                        Dear Wideke,

                        While I'm not that familiar with the INSPIRE Geology models, to my view, the groundwater level measurements clearly fall into the INSPIRE Environmental Monitoring Theme. Looking at the Geology Data Model, the featureType ActiveWell provides an association to an EnvironmentalMonitoringFacility (EF), where in turn full information on the groundwater level as well as other parameters measured at this location should be provided.

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                        The specifications were purposely kept separate as the EF concepts can be reused across diverse environmental media (i.e. the same EF structure can be utilized to provide groundwater levels, surface water quality, or also air quality or biodiversity species occurrence). Thus, they are only referenced within the other thematic domains.

                        For more information on the EF concept, you may wish to subscribe to the Environmental Monitoring & Observations group (be aware that most of your existing subscriptions got lost in the revamp of this portal!). For example, we have a nice list of examples available:

                        https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/forum/pages/view/30357/efom-best-practices

                        :)

                        Kathi

                        • Wideke BOERSMA

                          By Wideke BOERSMA

                          Thanks. We will look into it.

                          Can I ask a additional question related to groundwater. Where does the quality of the groundwater fall under? Also EF or theme Human Health and Safety (HH; featuretype EnvHealthDeterminantMeasure)? 

                          Best regards, Wideke

                          • Katharina SCHLEIDT

                            By Katharina SCHLEIDT

                            Hi Wideke,

                            based on my work with air quality data, such data clearly falls into the EF theme; at least this is where I'd expect to find the primary water quality measurements, together with descriptions of the stations where this has been measured.

                            HH EnvHealthDeterminantMeasure could be utilized for derived products, i.e. areas with known poor water quality, but I haven't heard of such deployments to date. Also, please be aware that there are some issues with HH EnvHealthDeterminantMeasure, see the following discussions:

                            https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/forum/discussion/view/261192/envhealthdeterminantmeasure-how-to-express-the-type-of-noise-measure

                            :)

                            Kathi

                          • Wideke BOERSMA
                            Dear collegeas, We have a question about the boreholes with original observations. At the GE-dataspecification the following is stated (p. 27): A MappedInterval is therefore an interpretation of the observations (lithological, geophysical etc)...
                              • Katharina SCHLEIDT

                                By Katharina SCHLEIDT

                                Dear Wideke,

                                to my understanding, the GE Boreholes are linked to ActiveWell featureTypes, that in turn are linked to EnvironmentalMonitoringFacilities.

                                I've provided more indepth information in your other post on groundwater levels: https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/forum/discussion/view/261036/groundwater-level-measurements-within-groundwater-wells-in-the-dataspecification-geology-application-schema-hydrogeology#elgg-object-261216

                                Hope this helps!

                                :)

                                Kathi

                                • Wideke BOERSMA

                                  By Wideke BOERSMA

                                  Hello Kathi,

                                  Thank you for your answer. The boreholes mentioned here are in a different application schema. The boreholes are part of application schema Geology in stead of application schema Hydrogeology. In the application schema Geology there is no link to EnvironmentalMonitoringFacilities. See also in the dataspec Figure 10 – UML class diagram: Borehole:

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                                  Best regards, Wideke

                                  • Katharina SCHLEIDT

                                    By Katharina SCHLEIDT

                                    Dear Wideke,

                                    Sorry for having missed the explicit sub-theme you're going for :(

                                    My approach has always been more focused on the core requirements of INSPIRE Article 4, first looking at the available data, then deciding on the relevant INSPIRE Themes. If the data being held by your institution covers concepts from both the INSPIRE Geology Application Schema as well as the EnvironmentalMonitoringFacilities (EF) Application Schema, then these are the INSPIRE Themes you should be encoding your data in.

                                    A short note to the EF Schema - this has been designed as a simple container reflecting what O&M Observation types can be expected at a specific location; when Observations are provided within INSPIRE, this spatial metainformation should be provided.

                                    Also - to my understanding, directly applying GeoSciML causes issues due to the different Borehole Types - not sure how I'd mix these!:
                                    * in INSPIRE Geology, Borehole is a GML featureType.
                                    * in GeoSciML, Borehole is derived from SF_SamplingCurve, thus foreseen for the application of O&M Observations

                                    :)

                                    Kathi

                                  • Martin TUCHYNA
                                    Martin TUCHYNA added a new discussion topic Mineral springs
                                    Dear all, any experience with harmonisation of the data for the natural mineral springs, including some references to available harmonised datasets/services? Is the Geology (Hydrogeological Object Natural , Spatial object type - [Application...
                                    • Johanna Ott
                                      Johanna Ott added a new discussion topic How to fill relatedObservation.ObservationContext.role?
                                      Hi everybody, We are creating Soil data and are using the associations to the OM schema. We wonder how we should fill the 'role' attribute in 'ObservationContext' attached to the association 'relatedObject' (pointing from...
                                      • Arvid MARKERT
                                        Arvid MARKERT replied on the discussion topic Borehole intervals - mappingFrame?
                                        Dear colleagues, we have solved the problem for now with the entry "surfaceGeology", even if this is technically not correct. Therefore we would strongly agree to an extension of the code list mappingFrameValue by the entry... view reply
                                        • Kristine ASCH
                                          Kristine ASCH replied on the discussion topic Borehole intervals - mappingFrame?
                                          Dear Tilman, dear all, also BGR within the "BoreholeML to INSPIRE" project is struggling with this issue. Looking into the data specifications on geology, one could theoretically add an additional value "defined... view reply
                                          • Johanna Ott
                                            Johanna Ott replied on the discussion topic application schema Geology - Boreholes without information on depth
                                            Dear Tilman, The data provider we are working for decided to use solution 1). It is technically not correct but avoids that misleading/confusing/wrong data is delivered to users. The mappingFrame value for our data is... view reply
                                            • Tilman BROCK-HESSE
                                              Tilman BROCK-HESSE replied on the discussion topic application schema Geology - Boreholes without information on depth
                                              Dear Johanna, could you please describe what solution you used and also what mappingFrame you have set on the MappedInterval instances? That would be very interesting to know. Thanks, Tilman view reply
                                              • Tilman BROCK-HESSE
                                                Tilman BROCK-HESSE added a new discussion topic Borehole intervals - mappingFrame?
                                                Dear colleagues, what do you propose for using as a mappingFrame when mapping boreholes? Our source model has (amongst others) the properties "top of layer", "bottom of layer", and "lithology". It encodes that...
                                                  • Kristine ASCH

                                                    By Kristine ASCH

                                                    Dear Tilman, dear all,

                                                    also BGR within the "BoreholeML to INSPIRE" project is struggling with this issue. Looking into the data specifications on geology, one could theoretically add an additional value "defined by data providers" and we planned to add the value "all depths" for the mappingFrame for Borehole data.

                                                    Has anybody experience with this?

                                                    We are also happy for any input or even a solution for thissmiley.

                                                    Thank you and with best wishes,

                                                     

                                                    Kristine Asch and David Hronec (BGR)

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    • Arvid MARKERT

                                                      By Arvid MARKERT

                                                      Dear colleagues,
                                                      we have solved the problem for now with the entry "surfaceGeology", even if this is technically not correct. Therefore we would strongly agree to an extension of the code list mappingFrameValue by the entry "allDepth".
                                                      Until then a nilReason value (e.g. "unpopulated") could be assigned alternatively.

                                                      Best regards and much success,

                                                      Arvid Markert - LBGR

                                                       

                                                      • Marcus SEN

                                                        Conceptually the mapping frame is the path of the borehole itself.

                                                        The INSPIRE technical guidelines don't seem to have any explicit instructions on this but just says "A MappedInterval is a special kind of MappedFeature whose shape is a 1-D interval and which uses the spatial reference system (SRS) of the containing borehole." This conveys the intent but doesn't say how to express it. The comment in the schema is just inherited from MappedFeature and isn't that helpful for the MappedInterval subtype.

                                                        We don't have any INSPIRE borehole services currently and I'm afraid I can't find any examples at the moment but, from my recollection of earlier versions of GeoSciML on which the INSPIRE geology model was based, the convention was to put an id reference pointing to the gml:id of the borehole itself. Current versions of GeoSciML no longer derive the BoreholeInterval (successor of MappedInterval) from MappedFeature and don't have such a property as it is always implicit for a borehole that the domain of the logs is the path of the borehole.

                                                        Some references to this convention that I can find for older versions of GeoSciML and implicitly but not explicitly for INSPIRE are:

                                                        Section 4.7.1 of a GeoSciML v2 cookbook :http://geosciml.org/doc/geosciml/2.1/documentation/cookbook/GeoSciML_Data_CookBook_V2.1_1.0.pdf

                                                        Section 2.7.8 of a cookbook on how to deliver INSPIRE using GeoSciML v3.2: http://geosciml.org/doc/geosciml/3.2/documentation/cookbook/INSPIRE_GeoSciML_Cookbook _1.0.pdf

                                                        Section 2.7.7 of later version of above cookbook on delivering INSPIRE using GeoSciML v4: http://www.onegeology.org/docs/technical/GeoSciML_Cookbook_1.2.1.pdf

                                                         

                                                      • Johanna Ott
                                                        Hello everybody, I just saw that ActiveWell.borehole.boreholeLength in the Hydrogeology schema is also missing its nilReason attribute. Could that be related to the cases we discovered earlier?   All the best Johanna view reply
                                                        • Miroslav FANTA
                                                          Miroslav FANTA replied on the discussion topic Theme Soil - mapping table is broken
                                                          Dear Fabio, thank you for your instructions. It works! Best wishes Miroslav view reply
                                                          • Fabio VINCI
                                                            Fabio VINCI replied on the discussion topic Theme Soil - mapping table is broken
                                                            Dear Miroslav, this type of error occurs on some mapping tables. You can solve in this way: go to the page https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/data-model/approved/r4618/mapping/  right-click on the "Soil Mapping Table.xml"... view reply
                                                            • Miroslav FANTA
                                                              Miroslav FANTA added a new discussion topic Theme Soil - mapping table is broken
                                                              Dear colleagues, The Soil Mapping Table available on the...
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