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  • Iurie MAXIM
    Iurie MAXIM replied on the discussion topic Atmospheric conditions and Meteorological geographical features
    Hi, Probably this thread, from one year and a half ago, may help: https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/forum/discussion/view/178144/ac-mf-default-encoding-in-tg It leads to https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/schemas/omso/3.0/ scheme. The AC-MF... view reply
  • Miroslav FANTA
    Miroslav FANTA added a new discussion topic Atmospheric conditions and Meteorological geographical features
    Dear colleagues,  The mapping table "Atmospheric Conditions and Meteorological Geographical Features Mapping Table" common for both themes Atmospheric conditions and Meteorological geographical features is empty. These themes...
  • Begoña Vila Taboada
    Begoña Vila Taboada replied on the discussion topic SeaBedArea and marine litter
    Hi again Keiran, The partners of the CleanAtlantic project are immersed ourselves in the discussion of what categories should be included in INSPIRE to deal with the issue of marine litter. For now, what is clear is that sea surface... view reply
  • Keiran MILLARD published a news post Inspire 2018 - Marine and Atmosphere Cluster
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  • Keiran MILLARD
    Keiran MILLARD replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    To add, I am not sure why MarineLayer (and also MarineContour) do not have an InspireID mandated.   view reply
  • Keiran MILLARD
    Keiran MILLARD replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Hi Kathi, "@Keiran: can you tell us what happened here? Did something get lost in the data modelling (i.e. derivation from SeaArea to MarineLayer)?" This really made me think! The rationale is that a MarineLayer is distinct from a... view reply
  • Katharina SCHLEIDT
    Katharina SCHLEIDT replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Hi Nicolas, several bits: The requirement for inclusion of an InspireId (optional in Annex II & III) pertained to creating the data specifications, relevant to the TWGs convened for this purpose. In most cases, they added an InspireId... view reply
  • Nicolas de Ville de Goyet
    Nicolas de Ville de Goyet replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    The idea with the InspireId is partly for completeness but also to have a referencing possibility in the future (in case it is needed). Beside in the Sea Region data specification v3 page.31 it is mentioned that the InspireId is mandatory for the... view reply
  • Katharina SCHLEIDT
    Katharina SCHLEIDT replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    A note on adding the inspireId - while I find it quite strange that some SR features carry this attribute while others don't (@Keiran: what happened here?), I'd worry about adding it as you will need to either create a new XSD or will be... view reply
  • Nicolas de Ville de Goyet
    Nicolas de Ville de Goyet replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Hello Keiran, Hello katharina, Thanks for both your inputs! In the end I chose to publish the data as polygons under the SR SeaBedArea INSPIRE theme. This allows to be quite precise in the determination of the areas that were lost. To overcome... view reply
  • Keiran MILLARD
    Keiran MILLARD replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Continuing the discussion, an alternative would be to use a grid (OF Theme) and each value of the grid is a % of seabed loss in the grid cell. The best approach really depends on the nature of your source dataset and how a 'loss of... view reply
  • Keiran MILLARD
    Keiran MILLARD replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Hi All, First of all, it would be good to clarify the nature of your  data set as this will determine the best data specification to use. If your dataset is a collection of polygons or point, with each polygon or point representing a... view reply
  • Keiran MILLARD
    Keiran MILLARD replied on the discussion topic SeaBedArea and marine litter
      http://inspire.ec.europa.eu/codelist/SeaBedCoverValue is largely comprised of natural coverage types, but could be extended to include marine litter - either as one class or a collection of litter... view reply
  • Keiran MILLARD
    Keiran MILLARD replied on the discussion topic SeaBedArea and marine litter
    Dear Begona, You are correct, according to the TG for Sea Regions: TG Requirement 3 SeaSurfaceAreas shall be classified according to the SeaSurfaceClassificationValue codelist. TG Requirement 4 SeaBedAreas shall be classified according to... view reply
  • Katharina SCHLEIDT
    Katharina SCHLEIDT replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Hi Nicolas, this is an interesting application of O&M Observations! I don't think it was thought of when the OF/SR data specification was designed, but as O&M can also be utilized to provide information on observations of species, why... view reply
  • Nicolas de Ville de Goyet
    Nicolas de Ville de Goyet replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Hello Begoña, Thanks for your reply. At least I know I haven't missed the obvious solution and I feel less lonely in this ocean of guidelines and open questions. Maybe (surely?) someone else will join this discussion to elaborate a... view reply
  • Begoña Vila Taboada
    Begoña Vila Taboada replied on the discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Hello Nicolas, In our TWG, we have discussed this same topic, and the truth is that we have not reached a single conclusion, that is, that your example could fit both 15 and 16 Inspire Themes. Personally, I think the simplest... view reply
  • Nicolas de Ville de Goyet
    Nicolas de Ville de Goyet added a new discussion topic OF or SR for a list of elements on the Sea Bottom?
    Hello everyone,  I’m currently working on the MSFD (Marine Strategic Framework Directive) reporting of 2018. Although it is not mandatory before 2020, I try to create INSPIRE compliant datasets to learn and create good practices. In...
    • Katharina SCHLEIDT

      By Katharina SCHLEIDT

      Hi Nicolas,

      several bits:

      • The requirement for inclusion of an InspireId (optional in Annex II & III) pertained to creating the data specifications, relevant to the TWGs convened for this purpose. In most cases, they added an InspireId to all featureTypes, but this was not mandatory. For you as a data provider, compliance is evaluated against the Implementing Rules (IRs), further described in the DataSpecifications. Thus if the IRs and DataSpecs include an attribute, you must provide, if not, it's not required.
      • You refer to the specification for the featureType SeaArea, which includes an InspireId. However, you've been discussing the featureType SeaBedArea, which does not include an InspireId (scroll on to p. 32).
      • InspireId and referencing: very relevant point, but unfortunately still not clarified how this is to be done. We have the InspireId (and gml:id and gml:identifier) as identifiers, we have xlink:href for referencing, but in the middle there's still a bit of a hole. More info in our WS on practical INSPIRE in Antwerp Tuesday 9:00, or also in last year's presentation: https://themes.jrc.ec.europa.eu/file/view/148857/practicing-practical-inspire-ws-presentation

      Leaves the question open why SeaBedArea and SeaSurfaceArea are in no way related to SeaArea (they're both derived from MarineLayer, that weems disjunct from the rest of the model)

      @Keiran: can you tell us what happened here? Did something get lost in the data modelling (i.e. derivation from SeaArea to MarineLayer)?

      :)

      Kathi

    • Keiran MILLARD

      By Keiran MILLARD

      Hi Kathi,

      "@Keiran: can you tell us what happened here? Did something get lost in the data modelling (i.e. derivation from SeaArea to MarineLayer)?"

      This really made me think!

      The rationale is that a MarineLayer is distinct from a SeaArea and so they are best modelled as separate objects.  For example an oil slick (MarineLayer) existing in the North Sea (SeaArea).  Clearly these are distinct objects and these objects may have different attributes.  For example a SeaArea should be constant with time, but a MarineLayer may be transient (an oil slick will move and change size).   The MarineLayer may also be distributed over multiple SeaAreas, for example; marine seabed litter for all EU waters.

      At the time we felt this gave the most flexibility and could be refined as use cases came along.

      Hope that helps

      Keiran

       

       

       

       

       

       

    • Keiran MILLARD

      By Keiran MILLARD

      To add, I am not sure why MarineLayer (and also MarineContour) do not have an InspireID mandated.

       

  • Begoña Vila Taboada
    Begoña Vila Taboada replied on the discussion topic Unknown Water Level -- No extensible codelists
    Hi Keiran, I share Enrique's concern with this issue. What happens if, at the time of transforming old data, that information is not reflected anywhere? What value would we have to use in that case? MSL?... view reply
  • Keiran MILLARD
    Keiran MILLARD replied on the discussion topic Unknown Water Level -- No extensible codelists
    Hi Enrique, The list of water levels is taken from an enumerated list (and associated definitions)  managed by the IHO.  This list does not have an 'unknown' water level and hence not present.  To allow for cases where no... view reply
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