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  • Stefania MORRONE
    Stefania MORRONE replied on the discussion topic On line validation of datasets
    Hi, thank you for reporting. Just few considerations: Issue 1: Since  “code list means an open enumeration” (see CR (EU) No 1089/2010) and for the enumeration “the attribute name conforms to the rules for attributes... view reply
  • Stefania MORRONE
    Stefania MORRONE replied on the discussion topic Orientation of polygons created using HALE
    We’ve come across the same problem (clockwise vs counter clockwise) in our activities related to the development of a Validation Service for INSPIRE GML based on the OGC GML Test Suite. More specifically the GML requirement (the respect of... view reply
  • Iurie MAXIM
    Iurie MAXIM replied on the discussion topic On line validation of datasets
    Following the tests performed by Stefania on the N2K Romanian GML we found some isues in the online validator, that are good to be known. We tested the WFS 2.0 download service available at... view reply
  • Daniel COCANU
    Daniel COCANU replied on the discussion topic Orientation of polygons created using HALE
    Hi, In the alignment, switch LAT, LON order at Ordinates to Point transformation, in order to obtain X = LON and Y = LAT. It should solve your problem. Anyway, consider that the CRS definition in the exported gml should be... view reply
  • Iurie MAXIM
    Iurie MAXIM replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Hi, I think that the best is to make the geometry voidable and the reason for not providing the geomtery to be a codelist with at least the following values: - sensitive data - site does not have known boundaries @Stefania: Thank you for the... view reply
  • Brian MACSHARRY
    Brian MACSHARRY replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Hi all I agree with Kathi's examples. In practical terms what happens are the following: Where there are protected sites deemed to be sensitive by the national agency they either do not submit the sites or they submit them but ask they be... view reply
  • Katharina SCHLEIDT
    Katharina SCHLEIDT replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Hi Michael, while that was one of the various Options we considered, the Problem Comes up due to the combination of INSPIRE and EEA Reporting. Here I see two problematic aspects: In some cases, sensitive data that will not be made publicly... view reply
  • Michael LUTZ
    Michael LUTZ replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Coming back to the original question, I think this case is covered by Art. 13(1) of the INSPIRE Directive, which states: 1. (...) By way of derogation from Article 11(1), Member States may limit public access to spatial data sets and... view reply
  • Bas VANMEULEBROUK
    Bas VANMEULEBROUK added a new discussion topic Orientation of polygons created using HALE
    During the workshop on extending the INSPIRE PS Theme for CDDA Reporting at the EEA we have used HALE to transform shape files to the new INSPIRE compliant CDDA datamodel. There is one problem with the generated GML file: it contains clockwise...
    • Stefania MORRONE

      By Stefania MORRONE

      Hi Iurie,

      good question indeed!

      I am facing the same problem (how to deal with updated/new records) and I am thinking of trying Postgis functions ST_ForceRHR and ForceLHR to force a polygon's geometry to follow either a right or left hand rule or ST_Reverse function. 

      Have you ever used them?

      Stefania

    • Iurie MAXIM

      Hi Stefania,

      Of course we tested ST_ForceRHR and ForceLHR. Both are crashing when using on large spatial features. PostgreSQL is restarted/shut down when using any of these functions on large spatial features. On small features there are no problems.

      For example using ST_ForceRHR or ForceLHR for the boundary of a country will not work, except if the country is small. We faced this issue for biogeographical regions. They have a lot of vertices.

      Best regards,

      Iurie Maxim

    • Iurie MAXIM

      Hi Thorsen,

      Thanks for pointing the java/groovy custom function for future use. Currently we solved the issue by using two databases, MS SQL and PostGIS.

      There is any solution/work around for app-schema ?

      Best reagrds,

      Iurie

       

  • Bas VANMEULEBROUK
    Bas VANMEULEBROUK uploaded the file Files used during the CDDA INSPIRE workshop
    - shape file - HALE project - part of the resulting GML 
  • Stefania MORRONE
    Stefania MORRONE replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Hi Iurie, thank you for sharing. I downloaded the RO.ENV.PS.N2k.gml file following your link. It may be of interest for you (and for those who will use your example) to know that validating the file (e.g. by... view reply
  • Iurie MAXIM
    Iurie MAXIM replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    I was rather questioning if it is possible to have WFS and WMS for some features having geometries and some others that do not have geometry. GIS software is using tables to store only attribute data with no geometry and feature classes /... view reply
  • Katharina SCHLEIDT
    Katharina SCHLEIDT replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Not sure what a view service would deliver without a view (i.e. a geometry), not my strong point However, download services without geometry are no problem. Within the European Air Quality Reporting we've done exactly that in order to provide... view reply
  • Iurie MAXIM
    Iurie MAXIM replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Even if the geometry attribute will be optional, still it will be interesting to provide view and download services for features without geometry. Its possible to provide a WMS with features without geometry? For sure they will not... view reply
  • Katharina SCHLEIDT
    Katharina SCHLEIDT replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    One final note on the reasoning behind providing the (0,0) coordinates instead of the bounding box: While the bounding box initially made more sense, many MS are worried that this will then actually be used. With 0,0 most folks should understand... view reply
  • Dirk HINTERLANG
    Dirk HINTERLANG replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Hi all, I perfectly agree with what Stefania said. cheers, Dirk view reply
  • Stefania MORRONE
    Stefania MORRONE replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Hi all, It's not possible to leave the geometry property element empty and provide a nilReason attribute "withheld" because the geometry attribute is mandatory and not voidable. Cleanest solution is asking a change to the PS... view reply
  • Ilkka RINNE
    Ilkka RINNE replied on the discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    Hi Kathi, It's not possible to leave the geometry property element empty and provide a nilReason attribute "withheld"? If possible I would strongly prefer this over dummy coordinates.  view reply
  • Katharina SCHLEIDT
    Katharina SCHLEIDT added a new discussion topic PS: Suppressing Geometry Information
    During the work on extending the INSPIRE PS Theme for CDDA Reporting to the EEA we've come upon the problem of how to deal with suppressed geometry information. While formally all protected sites should provide geometry, there are cases where...
    • Katharina SCHLEIDT

      By Katharina SCHLEIDT

      Hi all,

      I also like the solution, it works and makes all of our lives easier!

      The problem will still be how to differentiate between those users who may have access to the coordinates and those who only get the gml:id, but I think we can only get to where we all want to go on a step-by-step basis.

      However, I think this problem is again wider than just PS - wondering if we shouldn't start a list of candidate problems for the hopefully new technical cluster facilitator - this would be a good candidate (together with the various other bits like the requirement 52 dilemma, sane xlinks, ...)

      :?

      Kathi

    • Iurie MAXIM

      Hi,

      It seems that currently the solution to have a service that provides only to some users the geometry is to have two services, one public and another one with autenticated users and/or accessible only from a limited number of IPs.

      In any case if looking at the article 13 of INNS DIR, MS have no obligation to provide  information that may affect the environment trough INSPIRE view or download services at all. This mean that if INSPIRE download services will be used for reporting obligations as well (as it should be actualy the case even if the DIR claims that is not the case), than, MS have no obligation to provide such sensitive data trough INSPIRE Network Services, so MS will need to provide such data trough other means (i.e.: valid GML upload in CDR ONLY the sensitive data).

      Article 13  of INNS DIR:

      ..

      By way of derogation from Article 11(1), Member States may limit public access to spatial data sets and services through the services referred to in points (b) to (e) of Article 11(1), or to the e-commerce services referred to in Article 14(3), where such access would adversely affect any of the following:

      ...

      (h) the protection of the environment to which such information relates, such as the location of rare species.

      ...

      2. The grounds for limiting access, as provided for in paragraph 1, shall be interpreted in a restrictive way, taking into account for the particular case the public interest served by providing this access. In every particular case, the public interest served by disclosure shall be weighed against the interest served by limiting or conditioning the access. Member States may not, by virtue of points (a), (d), (f), (g) and (h) of paragraph 1, limit access to information on emissions into the environment.

      3. Within this framework, and for the purposes of the application of point (f) of paragraph 1, Member States shall ensure that the requirements of Directive 95/46/EC are complied with.

       

      It would be very good indeed to start such a page to collect links to various discutions with issues that were identified and that are affecting all the data themes, Stefania already started this for PS at https://themes.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pages/view/5639/ps-collection-of-observed-issues, so simmilar it can be done for Cross-themes issues.

      Iurie

    • Stefania MORRONE

      By Stefania MORRONE

      Dear all,

      it is now not possible to include sites without geometry in the new CDDA. Reason behind is that statistics are done mainly on the spatial data and also WDPA excludes sites without spatial geometry, so it is not relevant for CDDA reporting to collect that information.

      Best,

      Stefania

  • Brian MACSHARRY
    Brian MACSHARRY added a new discussion topic INSPIRE code list registry
    Hi all If you have not seen the INSPIRE code list registry you can see it here: http://inspire.ec.europa.eu/codelist/ it is a very useful resource. #Hint: Where it says "Filter Label" type in "Protected SItes" into...
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