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    • Stefania MORRONE
      Stefania MORRONE replied on the discussion topic EnvhealthDeterminantMeasure - how to express the type of noise measure
      Dear Marco, you are right: the current data model and application schema do not allow specifying the ‘categories’ of the measure (e.g. whether the measure is LAeq , Lden, LAF) . Therefore, currently you just cannot do. However,... view reply
      • Montse Marco
        Montse Marco added a new discussion topic EnvhealthDeterminantMeasure - how to express the type of noise measure
        Dear all, In the Technical Guidelines on Human Health and Safety, the EnvhealthDeterminantMeasure feature type allows to represent our noise raw measurement points. However, in the model only can be expressed the decibels, but not the type of...
          • Stefania MORRONE

            By Stefania MORRONE

            Dear Marco,

            you are right: the current data model and application schema do not allow specifying the ‘categories’ of the measure (e.g. whether the measure is LAeq , Lden, LAF) .

            Therefore, currently you just cannot do.

            However, a relevant IR Change Proposal is being discussed for the ‘EnvHealthDeterminantMeasure’ that, if accepted, will allow the provision of measure ‘categories’ (via related code lists).
            The Change Proposal also addresses the issues related to provision of

            Kind regards,

            Stefania

          • Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
            Jóhannes Birgir Jensson replied on the discussion topic Environmental Noise Directive
            Iceland is currently working on its Noise Directive Maps (until now they have been PDF-files) so I'm interested in this topic. Some data providers claim lack of knowledge of how to export noise calculations from their tools - are any... view reply
            • Lars Erik STORGAARD
              Lars Erik STORGAARD added a new discussion topic Eurostat Census Hub and INSPIRE
              Dear all, I would like to share this for you as community interesting information: After the presentation at the INSPIRE Conference 2018 Statistics Denmark took contact to Eurostat to ask for a confirmation that the INSPIRE...
              • Bresters PIETER
                Bresters PIETER added a new discussion topic Implementing proposal INSPIRE themes PD and HH
                Statistics Netherlands is proposing an implementation method for the INSPIRE themes Population Distribution (PD) and Human Health (HH). With this paper we would like to start the discussion  to reach a common agreement about it and to avoid...
                • Bresters PIETER
                  Bresters PIETER added a new discussion topic Proposal for type attributes for VectorStatisticalUnit
                  With the current model for the INSPIRE theme statistical units, we can only add one layer with one feature type in the service. This is a problem because in many cases there are a lot of types of Statistical Units. Creating one service for each type...
                  • Johanna Ott
                    Johanna Ott replied on the discussion topic Environmental Noise Directive
                    Hi Kathi, Thank you for the reply and all your explanations and recommendations. From my point of view, using the gml:measure encoding, there is still the issue on how to reference the EIONET codelist with the attributes available there. I... view reply
                    • Katharina SCHLEIDT
                      Katharina SCHLEIDT replied on the discussion topic Environmental Noise Directive
                      Hi Johanna, fear the HH spec is a bit self-contradictory! It mostly correctly assigns the Measure type to ISO 19103, only mention of 19105 is in the UML diagram in the frame, but I believe this is a typo. In the same UML folder, there is also a... view reply
                      • Johanna Ott
                        Johanna Ott replied on the discussion topic Environmental Noise Directive
                        Hi Kathi, After finally reading your PDF file, I think my issue is slightly different from yours (or at least it is not explicitely mentioned in the PDF): independently from how the model's associations are changed, there is a discrepancy... view reply
                        • Bresters PIETER
                          Bresters PIETER replied on the discussion topic Questions about UML model of Statistical Units
                          Dear Tuuli and Marcus, First of all, sorry for my late response. Secondly, as a former member of the TWG SU-PD, I would like to apologize for the complexity of the model. About the Tessellation: Your first assumption about the... view reply
                          • Katharina SCHLEIDT
                            Katharina SCHLEIDT replied on the discussion topic Environmental Noise Directive
                            Hi Johanna, sorry for not catching this post earlier, but was traveling a lot. Now back in Vienna and just caught your personal message. Sorry for taking the file off of my server, now the link should work again:... view reply
                            • Johanna Ott
                              Johanna Ott replied on the discussion topic Environmental Noise Directive
                              Hi Kathi, I think I am currently running into the data model issues you are writing about. Unfortunately the link to the PDF does not work. Is there a thread in the Thematic Cluster on that somewhere? I cannot find any. Do you have any... view reply
                              • Thijs BRENTJENS
                                Thijs BRENTJENS added a new discussion topic HH: EIONET codelists not available?
                                The HH data specification refer to several EIONET codelists, for example for NoiseSourceTypeValue. But these codelists are not available at the EIONET website as it seems. The identifiers in the HH spec, e.g....
                                • Tuuli PIHLAJAMAA
                                  Tuuli PIHLAJAMAA replied on the discussion topic Questions about UML model of Statistical Units
                                  Dear Marcus, Thank you very much. That clarifies the thing for me a bit. So there is definitely a risk of different interpretations of the UML models. I find it still a bit weird, that if the geometry is hidden inside... view reply
                                  • Marcus Brühl
                                    Marcus Brühl replied on the discussion topic Questions about UML model of Statistical Units
                                    Dear Tuuli, I had also asked for an explicit NUTS application Schema (see: https://themes.jrc.ec.europa.eu/discussion/view/180156/nuts-gml-application-schema). Unfortunately, there’s no attribute to distinguish different types of... view reply
                                    • Tuuli PIHLAJAMAA
                                      Tuuli PIHLAJAMAA added a new discussion topic Questions about UML model of Statistical Units
                                      I have some questions regarding the UML model of Statistical Units. I hope they are so trivial that someone knows the answers. :)     1. First of all, about Tessellation: -Is it correct that in the model the...
                                        • Marcus Brühl

                                          Dear Tuuli,

                                          I had also asked for an explicit NUTS application Schema (see: https://themes.jrc.ec.europa.eu/discussion/view/180156/nuts-gml-application-schema). Unfortunately, there’s no attribute to distinguish different types of statistical units. For example, if you publish all NUTS regions as AreaStatisticalUnit it will be hard for users to distinguish NUTS1, NUTS2 and NUTS3. This was also addressed in another discussion topic: https://themes.jrc.ec.europa.eu/discussion/view/131523/missing-a-statistical-unit-type-in-the-datamodel

                                          Another option would have been to select all NUTS regions of one level via the StatisticalTesselation. But the multiplicity of the association AreaStatisticalUnit – StatisticalTesselation is 0..1 (and not 0..*).

                                          Concerning tessellation, it’s indeed not clear what’s meant with the voidability of the association. From modelling perspective, both of your interpretations seem to be possible. The intention of the TWG SU is not clear.   

                                          Concerning AreaStatisticalUnit, it’s indeed a subtype of VectorStatisticalUnit. But you can provide any statistical unit, which a surfacic reference geometry (in reality), not only NUTS regions. But, as far as I read the schema, you don’t have to provide the geometry as surface. The geometry itself is ‘hidden’ in dataType VectorStatisticalUnitGeometry. I could imagine to publish the NUTS regions as AreaStatisticalUnit (with an areaValue) with referenc points as geometry in dataType VectorStatisticalUnitGeometry.

                                          In my opinion, the TWG SU decided to draft the schema very complex. I guess, modelling experts love it. But why to publish a rather simple theme like NUTS regions with such a complex schema?

                                          Best regards,

                                          Marcus Brühl / BKG Germany

                                          • Tuuli PIHLAJAMAA

                                            By Tuuli PIHLAJAMAA

                                            Dear Marcus,

                                            Thank you very much. That clarifies the thing for me a bit. So there is definitely a risk of different interpretations of the UML models.

                                            I find it still a bit weird, that if the geometry is hidden inside VectorStatisticalUnitGeometry, how is there still TopologicalConstraint between AreaStatisticalUnit and StatisticalTessellation. But I'm not an expert on that, so maybe it makes sence and I will understand it later.

                                            BR, Tuuli

                                             

                                            • Bresters PIETER

                                              By Bresters PIETER

                                              Dear Tuuli and Marcus,

                                              First of all, sorry for my late response.

                                              Secondly, as a former member of the TWG SU-PD, I would like to apologize for the complexity of the model.

                                              About the Tessellation:

                                              Your first assumption about the AreaStatisticalUnit being the same as any NUTS unit or other area unit, and that Tessellation is all the area units together, is right.

                                              The  AreaStatisticalUnit can exist alone without the Tessellation. In the Dutch harmonization of Statistical units, we misused the link to the Tessellation to solve another problem: The missing type, as Marcus also mentioned. This issue has been reported to the MIG, but the status is unknown to me. For the rest, we did not use the tessellation, because we don't have it as a feature.

                                              About your last assumptions on the tessellation, it is right that a tessellation can’t have gaps and can't have area statistical unit that overlap according to the definition.

                                              I don't have an answer to the question "why all the grid cells have a grid to link, but why don’t all AreaStatisticalUnits have a Tessellation to link?" It seems inconsistent. In the Geostat 3 project we did not use the feature type grid, only the grid cells.

                                              About VectorStatisticalUnits:

                                              Below I give answers to your last 3 questions in red.

                                              -Does VectorStatisticalUnit mean, that it can be any statistical unit, also line or point? YES

                                              -But AreaStatisticalUnit has to be specifically NUTS or other area? I suppose it has to be an Area because it is in the name, but also to let the extra attributes make sense.

                                              -And AreaStatisticalUnit is a subtype of VectorStatisticalUnit? Yes, a subtype with some extra attributes like given in the model 

                                               

                                              Best regards,

                                              Pieter Bresters,
                                              Statistics Netherlands

                                               

                                               

                                            • Enrico Iredi
                                              Enrico Iredi added a new discussion topic Correction of the schema...
                                              Something does not fit in the StatisticalUnitCore.xsd (cvc-elt.2: The value of {abstract} in the element declaration for 'su-core:StatisticalUnit' must be false; cvc-type.2: The type definition cannot be abstract for element...
                                              • Enrico Iredi
                                                Enrico Iredi uploaded the file GML Example StatisticalDistribution (pd)
                                                gml file now ETF valid
                                                • Mirosław MIGACZ
                                                  Mirosław MIGACZ replied on the discussion topic Wrong value type of Geometry attribute in StatisticalGridCell
                                                  This issue has been forwarded to the INSPIRE MIG-T and solved. I'm closing this topic. view reply
                                                  • Mirosław MIGACZ
                                                    Mirosław MIGACZ replied on the discussion topic Implementation Rules change proposals
                                                    The issues have been submitted to the INSPIRE MIG-T for further processing. I'm closing this topic. view reply
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